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    Re: Does God have a language?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe that we created God and not the other way around. Therefore he is so powerful to be able to speak every single language on earth so long as that language supports him. He speaks through signs, events, appearances like angels which alone suggest body language. Handwritting appear on walls and everything that a human can conceive is the work of God.

    In other words, if in a language the word &quot;God&quot; does not exist, there is no God.</div></div>

    Interesting, I like how you express it, that &quot;We created God, not the other way around.&quot; I think we agree that gods are cultural artifacts? They don't exist without people talking about them? The word &quot;god&quot; could exist in one's vocabulary, but if you never think about gods as real, or doing something, then you never experience &quot;god&quot;? While people who see Jesus in on a piece of toast, or see him in every little thing, are using &quot;god&quot; and his story in a very active way. So, God, or gods, exist in that person's life in a very active way?
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    Re: Does God have a language?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    In comic books, whenever the story involved some super super beyond reckoning powerful being, they always put symbols in the talk bubbles, and bold them.</div></div>
    My little point is that someBODY had to teach Him those words er symbols.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    Perhaps God's language is math, which would explain the Qabbala and a ton of other esotericisms. I evolved that word out of esoteric, in case anyone was watching. </div></div>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">esotericisms - 1 dictionary result
    es·o·ter·i·cism (&amp;#283;s'&amp;#601;-t&amp;#283;r'&amp;#301;-s&amp;#301;z'&amp;#601;m) Pronunciation Key
    n.

    1. Esoteric teachings or practices.
    2. The quality or condition of being esoteric.

    <span style="font-size: 8pt">The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
    Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
    Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.</span> </div></div>
    Hmmm, someone beat you to the evoluting of &quot;esoteric,&quot; but even so, if any god out there is speaking math, he/she first had to learn words. No one can learn math without words like &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">WRONG</span>,&quot; &quot;blockhead,&quot; and &quot;try again.&quot;
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    Re: Does God have a language?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    In comic books, whenever the story involved some super super beyond reckoning powerful being, they always put symbols in the talk bubbles, and bold them.</div></div>
    My little point is that someBODY had to teach Him those words er symbols.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    Perhaps God's language is math, which would explain the Qabbala and a ton of other esotericisms. I evolved that word out of esoteric, in case anyone was watching. </div></div>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">esotericisms - 1 dictionary result
    es·o·ter·i·cism (&amp;#283;s'&amp;#601;-t&amp;#283;r'&amp;#301;-s&amp;#301;z'&amp;#601;m) Pronunciation Key
    n.

    1. Esoteric teachings or practices.
    2. The quality or condition of being esoteric.

    <span style="font-size: 8pt">The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
    Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
    Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.</span> </div></div>
    Hmmm, someone beat you to the evoluting of &quot;esoteric,&quot; but even so, if any god out there is speaking math, he/she first had to learn words. No one can learn math without words like &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">WRONG</span>,&quot; &quot;blockhead,&quot; and &quot;try again.&quot;

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    DAMN! Can I claim independent arising.

    Well I happen to agree with you that any argument about creation poses a rather inescapable conundrum to any believer that they were, by fact of their existence, created. First cause requires a cause, and one of the fatal arguments to those of design, is of course naturally, who designed the designer ad infinitum.
    a noble stroke he lifted high that hung not but swift with tempest fell On Satan's proud crest- no sight nor swift thought, less could his shield such ruin intercept; 10 paces huge he back recoil'd...

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    Re: Does God have a language?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    Well I happen to agree with you that any argument about creation poses a rather inescapable conundrum to any believer that they were, by fact of their existence, created. First cause requires a cause, and one of the fatal arguments to those of design, is of course naturally, who designed the designer ad infinitum.</div></div>
    Sure, I agree about the first cause, Prime Mover. I figure that existing in-and-of itself implies an infinite amount of Big Bangs, and therefore infinite existences exactly like this one. But anyway...

    ... the super super All and Everything is supposed to have existed forever, some say. I'm wondering if He/She existed forever, then how did this god get language, because language is an artifact of culture?
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    Re: Does God have a language?

    yes, that would imply more than one being.

    curious as it just reminded me of something in the gospel about wherever there are more than one of you gathered, there am I.
    a noble stroke he lifted high that hung not but swift with tempest fell On Satan's proud crest- no sight nor swift thought, less could his shield such ruin intercept; 10 paces huge he back recoil'd...

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    Re: Does God have a language?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes, that would imply more than one being.

    curious as it just reminded me of something in the gospel about wherever there are more than one of you gathered, there am I. </div></div>
    Yes, that's cool.

    Did you ever hear (me rant) about Nicaraguan Sign Language ? In Nicaragua authorities gathered several hundred of the nations deaf together to teach them sign language. But the teachers were many weeks late arriving... when the did arrive the folks there had created a whole new sign language... a unique language.

    The notion reminds me of that first line of Genesis... &quot;In the beginning was the Word...&quot;
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    Re: Does God have a language?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    The notion reminds me of that first line of Genesis... &quot;In the beginning was the Word...&quot;
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    Excellent. There you have it.

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    Re: Does God have a language?

    yes and further to that isn't it curious that many creation myths the world is spoken into being, Let there be light etc.

    Why say anything.
    a noble stroke he lifted high that hung not but swift with tempest fell On Satan's proud crest- no sight nor swift thought, less could his shield such ruin intercept; 10 paces huge he back recoil'd...

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    Re: Does God have a language?

    It was mentioned in the thread about the &quot;multitude&quot;.

    If I were to create some word which represents a concept, that word is functional for me alone.

    The more people I have agreeing on that word, the more powerful that word becomes, the more I can do with it.

    A little further on, systems of beliefs, policies, languages etc

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    Re: Does God have a language?

    very intriguing thread.

    it would seem that men have always considered breath- and thus speaking- to be something of power and of life. I recall reading a paper by a cave art researcher who argued that what was depicted in the cave paintings of the animals were not really a hunt per se, but some shamanic practice and the 'blood' coming from the animals was actually to be interpreted as breath, even farting.

    also found this, about the Norse All-Father god Odin- curious to note that his power is also manifest by speaking or singing:

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Song of Spells

    145.
    Those songs I know, which nor sons of men
    nor queen in a king's court knows;
    the first is Help which will bring thee help
    in all woes and in sorrow and strife.
    146.
    A second I know, which the son of men
    must sing, who would heal the sick.

    147.
    A third I know: if sore need should come
    of a spell to stay my foes;
    when I sing that song, which shall blunt their swords,
    nor their weapons nor staves can wound.

    148.
    A fourth I know: if men make fast
    in chains the joints of my limbs,
    when I sing that song which shall set me free,
    spring the fetters from hands and feet.

    149.
    A fifth I know: when I see, by foes shot,
    speeding a shaft through the host,
    flies it never so strongly I still can stay it,
    if I get but a glimpse of its flight.

    150.
    A sixth I know: when some thane would harm me
    in runes on a moist tree's root,
    on his head alone shall light the ills
    of the curse that he called upon mine.

    151.
    A seventh I know: if I see a hall
    high o'er the bench-mates blazing,
    flame it ne'er so fiercely I still can save it, --
    I know how to sing that song.

    152.
    An eighth I know: which all can sing
    for their weal if they learn it well;
    where hate shall wax 'mid the warrior sons,
    I can calm it soon with that song.

    153.
    A ninth I know: when need befalls me
    to save my vessel afloat,
    I hush the wind on the stormy wave,
    and soothe all the sea to rest.

    154.
    A tenth I know: when at night the witches
    ride and sport in the air,
    such spells I weave that they wander home
    out of skins and wits bewildered.

    155.
    An eleventh I know: if haply I lead
    my old comrades out to war,
    I sing 'neath the shields, and they fare forth mightily
    safe into battle,
    safe out of battle,
    and safe return from the strife.

    156.
    A twelfth I know: if I see in a tree
    a corpse from a halter hanging,
    such spells I write, and paint in runes,
    that the being descends and speaks.

    157.
    A thirteenth I know: if the new-born son
    of a warrior I sprinkle with water,
    that youth will not fail when he fares to war,
    never slain shall he bow before sword.

    158.
    A fourteenth I know: if I needs must number
    the Powers to the people of men,
    I know all the nature of gods and of elves
    which none can know untaught.

    159.
    A fifteenth I know, which Folk-stirrer sang,
    the dwarf, at the gates of Dawn;
    he sang strength to the gods, and skill to the elves,
    and wisdom to Odin who utters.

    160.
    A sixteenth I know: when all sweetness and love
    I would win from some artful wench,
    her heart I turn, and the whole mind change
    of that fair-armed lady I love.

    161.
    A seventeenth I know: so that e'en the shy maiden
    is slow to shun my love.

    162.
    These songs, Stray-Singer, which man's son knows not,
    long shalt thou lack in life,
    though thy weal if thou win'st them, thy boon if thou obey'st them
    thy good if haply thou gain'st them.

    163.
    An eighteenth I know: which I ne'er shall tell
    to maiden or wife of man
    save alone to my sister, or haply to her
    who folds me fast in her arms;
    most safe are secrets known to but one-
    the songs are sung to an end.

    164.
    Now the sayings of the High One are uttered in the hall
    for the weal of men, for the woe of Jötuns,
    Hail, thou who hast spoken! Hail, thou that knowest!
    Hail, ye that have hearkened! Use, thou who hast learned!
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    also note the last stanza, slightly reminiscent isn't it.
    a noble stroke he lifted high that hung not but swift with tempest fell On Satan's proud crest- no sight nor swift thought, less could his shield such ruin intercept; 10 paces huge he back recoil'd...

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